January 29, 2018 at 4:14 pm #215846
So I can't find this anywhere. Will most of the PLUGINS still work, esp Genesis plugins (on a Genesis site?) - after the Gutenberg is added to wordpress core?
Everyone is talking about the editor change but what about plugins? Will most plugins still work?
What stance does Studiopress take on Gutenberg??
Look forward to your thoughts!January 29, 2018 at 4:52 pm #215847
We can't speak as to what Studio Press's stance is. We're just community volunteers with no affiliation to Studio Press.
As for Gutenberg working with plugins. It works now. I've got it installed on several development sites and haven't run into any issues with anything Genesis related.
January 29, 2018 at 5:26 pm #215849
Ok gotcha on the Studiopress stance, yep knew you were community volunteers but I thought maybe you knew of a link or something where someone from Sudiopress has mentioned or commented on Guetenberg. No worries understand your position!
Well that makes me feel better with it being compatible with plugins whew!
So did you notice anything different with the rest of your development sites as a result of Gutenberg plugin being installed; did anything break at all? Did it affect your styles at all in any way?
Thank you!January 29, 2018 at 7:14 pm #215860January 30, 2018 at 7:14 am #215868
Yep, ok thank you!!January 30, 2018 at 7:43 am #215869Andrea RennickMember
Gutenberg for the first run is a new post editor, that is it.
If there's a plugin that doesn't do anything in the post editor area, then Gutenberg has NO EFFECT on it.
Also, the Gutenberg experiment is available in plugin form right now for anyone to try out. Anyone wondering what might happen can check it out on a test site.
(the answer is - not much happens, it's for editing posts. )
If you need technical support for your theme please file a ticket.
The forums are community based. Staff only monitors the forum for issues relating to the forum itself and to redirect users to where they need to go.February 2, 2018 at 5:37 am #216037
Yep, ok some of that I realized and I'm adding it to test sites now 😉 I appreciate your reponse Andrea 😉March 8, 2018 at 3:30 am #217484ralfjMember
Hello Andrea, are you sure? The sound in a lot of discussions is more like a completely change of wordpress core with affects to all.
I run a really big site with genesis and a lot of plugins (thousends of pages/posts/store/membership). I did talk with a woocommerce developer and he told me, there coming a lot of problems with gutenberg for me.
I made the experience like this a few years ago with typo3 cms - in germany a often used enterprise solution. they did make a step forward with new core and some of the most used essential plugins could't updated. it was terrible for thousands of developers and companys - they couldn't update anymore, or they had to spend a lot of resources only to go on with their sites. the clients of the developers was not amused to spend a lot of money only to can use their sites farther. a lot of projects has to give up because of the cost.
I'm really nervous about the changing and wondering, there are less informations from plugin or theme developer.
Just know building up a other new site and not sure, is genesis framework really usefull in future with gutenberg or rather a compatibility issue...
I have the same bad feeling now like in the past with the typo3 issue.
hope it is only a feeling but not the future 😉
RalfMarch 8, 2018 at 4:32 am #217489
I'm halfway through writing a tutorial about creating your own custom Guten-blocks. This article forced me to take a deep dive into the Gutenberg architecture. I have also read one article released by the Studio Press team about integrating theme styles with Gutenberg.
The deep dive I'm doing resulted in at least one surprise and one concern. The surprise is that Gutenberg still uses the TinyMCE editor at it's core for creating/saving/editing content enabled blocks. Even toolbar components such as the text alignment bar are derived from TinyMCE. That is, at least for now. I don't know if that's going to change in the future.
The concern is with content created before Gutenberg. I created a fresh WordPress install to work on this tutorial. When I opened the default WordPress sample page in Gutenberg, it automatically opened in the code editor rather than the visual editor. In fact, trying to display it in the visual editor produces an error message. Until you convert old content into blocks, which is as far as I can tell a manual process at this point, you can't see them in the visual editor. This is going to be a lot of work if you have to edit older content, especially if the articles are lengthy. Many end users rely on the visual editor. If they can't use it, they're going to get lost.
As Gutenberg matures, it will eventually become the only method for content management in WordPress. It won't matter if you're working on widgets, in the customizer, pages, posts, CPTs, or even the menu, Gutenberg will be the interface. I sympathize for website builders who have staked their businesses on page builders. Gutenberg is poised to eventually eliminate page builders as we know them, especially the ones that intrusively insert shortcodes into content. Unless their architectures change, I'm betting that they are not going to be compatible with future versions of WordPress.
As for Genesis, I have not seen anything in Gutenberg so far to be concerned about. As the new content editor, all Gutenberg content will be accessed and displayed in the Genesis loop. Anything else that Genesis does is not impacted by Gutenberg. That may change as Gutenberg continues to progress and takes over other WordPress areas. But for today, it's not even worth devoting any energy thinking about it.
March 8, 2018 at 7:15 am #217492Andrea RennickMember
Hello Andrea, are you sure?
Given I've been testing it, yes. I am sure.
A lot of what you are hearing is future plans, and it's just like Victor said above.
For my background - I've worked at Studiopress now for six years.
I am a former core WP contributor.
I've been a lead on a couple of the team at wp.org.
I am extremely familiar with how core WP works, how development works, and also how this particular project is going.
Right now it's a POST editor. The thing that is affected post is some styling on thefront end - no matter what theme is used.
Some plugins that add stuff to the post editor might be affected.
Page builder plugins will certainly be affected.
Going back and editing old posts will be affected.
Genesis is not a page builder. It's a parent theme. While we do have some ideas and plans, it's still nothing fancy.
If you follow Brian Gardner on Twitter and check out various Genesis based groups, you will be on top of it.
But the main WP philosophy os backwards compatibility. WO is 30% of the web - do you really think the devs want to break literally tens of millions of sites - including those on wp.com?
If anyone has concerns - PLEASE TEST THE PLUGIN to see for yourself.
WHen the CUstomizer was in dev, we all had these same rounds of discussions. 🙂
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The forums are community based. Staff only monitors the forum for issues relating to the forum itself and to redirect users to where they need to go.March 17, 2018 at 11:13 am #218019Cathy @ WPBaristaMember
In my testing I've noticed that there are some widgets available in Gutenberg editor. Does studiopress have plans to make the featured posts/pages/enews widgets available in gutenberg?
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I'm a code novice, please bear with me regarding these questions. 🙂
So, will Gutenberg will eliminate the need for plugins like Blox?
Also, I'm thinking of toying with learning Bootstrap. Will that be necessary with Gutenberg?
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