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Hey All. We're prepping a post around FSE and the future of Genesis to follow the announcements around Framework being free, etc. etc.
The gist of the post is that you'll likely still keep building / using "classic WordPress themes" (way all themes are built today) for a very long time as FSE adoption in WP as a whole takes root over time.
I do not think most people need to start building with FSE on the day it is available in WP Core, but I do believe all folks building with WP should have a testing and adoption plan for FSE.
Genesis for FSE will be focused on Genesis Blocks, Custom Blocks, and Block Theme (aka "the Genesis Sample for FSE"). There will also be 3rd party Genesis block themes, just like there are 3rd party classic themes today. The role of content within Genesis themes will take a stronger role using "Collections" in the FSE theme context.These are the areas we'll unpack in the post I mentioned that we're working on along with details on how the 3rd party theme economy will expand for folks making premium Genesis themes.
For now, you should absolutely keep building themes the way you're currently building them and start to play around with Genesis Blocks / Custom Blocks if you'd like to stay ahead of the curve.
In any case, more to come as we work through the launch of Framework being free, etc. plus drafting the post itself 🙂
I just replied to your email and will share your feedback here with the product team. I think those are good points and points they are likely already considering. We also like things clean like a jelly bean in /wp-admin 🙂
Hey Rob,
Thanks for the rundown on how you're building and feature requests. Responses in line...
> the client (or me, with a service plan), can rapidly go
> in and create content without having to remember
> every single color code and font setting to make
> it all look coherent.We're planning a global styles feature set for Genesis Blocks that would allow you to define the color scheme and apply it to any of the blocks, sections, and layouts (including those you create yourself).
> Equally important is to be able to create new
> layouts/sections while building, without needing
> to go back and build out/expand a custom plugin
> just to add or modify a block.There are non-build-your-own-plugin ways to do this of course. You can mod the block's styles in the block editor itself and save it as a reusable block. To your point though, if you save the block as reusable that won't currently show up in within the Layouts selector.
> Given that there are FREE block pattern plugins
> out there that allow for new patterns to be
> built straight from the editorWe are currently researching adding similar features to the free version of Genesis Custom Blocks.
> Basically, I can't find out any meaningful
> detail about Genesis ProBelow are some documentation links that might help. Also if you email me ([email protected]), I'm happy to send you a copy of Genesis Blocks Pro / Custom Blocks Pro so you can answer more of your questions 🙂
> How can the Layouts feature be removed from
> the editor screen and block list to reduce
> clutter and prevent any confusion from users/clients?Genesis Blocks Pro allows for permission settings that would enable you to hide blocks, sections, and layouts on a per user role basis.
Drop me an email if you'd like to try out the pro versions of GB / GCB and I'm happy to send you the zips so you can play around 🙂
Ahhh. I get it!
We don't currently have that ability, but we've had similar requests from others. I passed along your feedback to the team though.
It seems you're already aware of the method of creating a custom Collection to do this, and that's not a good fit for you, but if you'd like to explore it again... https://studiopress.blog/the-ultimate-guide-to-building-custom-collections-in-genesis-blocks/
If you highlight the blocks in the section and select "Add to reusable" in the "Spotlight" view, you should be able to save the entire block with style settings. I just did this in a test install and it worked just fine.
Hmmm. Resetting just worked for me. @Anni50 I got your email and will help you figure out what's going on with your account in that email thread. Thanks for the heads up!
Hmm. The form is working for me and I'm not hearing about any issues with the form from the support folks. You can also email me using my first name dot last name at wpengine.com. I'm happy to dig in and see what I can find on what you're experiencing.
Sorry to hear that. Would mind emailing me with the email you used for your StudioPress account? My first name dot last name at wpengine dot com will get to me 🙂
@tdellaringa if you contact StudioPress support they will help you set the full width as it is in the demo 🙂
@Manalor007 - Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts here. As mentioned, we are looking at the possibility of a different approach with the pro plugins in the Genesis Pro package and have offered discounts for exiting customers. Hopefully these and similar efforts will provide a path for those within the Pro Plus customer set who feel our current approach is in line with what they'd want to see. There are quite a few customers on the GP package currently, so there are certainly those who do find value and find the approach fair.
I'd also like to emphasize that we have done many and significant community friendly things in all of this including offering major new products for free (1st time ever in SP history) and investing millions in the Genesis Framework and themes when those products had near zero engineering investments at the time of the acquisition.
I wouldn't say "doing good things for existing customers" is a thing we'd start doing. We have been doing it.
I also get that not all of our decisions will be liked by everyone, but there are a ton of people in the Genesis community who do appreciate the investments we've made, major products we've released for free, and a variety of other benefits that didn't require anyone to buy anything new.
In the end, we'll keep doing our best to make the right decisions and investments we think will deliver value to everyone in the Genesis community. I can assure you that each time we're faced with a decision "How will this provide benefit to the community?" is always the first question myself and a ton other folks over here ask 🙂
@RavenManiac - Thanks for the kind words and sharing your thoughts on why folks find all this important. I ran a Genesis agency for 5 years, so I can definitely relate as to why it's important to have confidence in the tools you use. As for you not getting the coupon, you should have received that on the email you used for your StudioPress.com account. The code is SP3FREE.
@And_or - Time is the only asset they're not making any more of, so I know how hard it is to find the time to learn new tools! As for Genesis Blocks, the current key pro features are the ability to restrict block settings for end users and an expanded group of block Collections. If you're building custom themes from scratch, you may also want to check out Genesis Custom Blocks. One of the key pro features there are repeating fields, but if you're interested in building custom blocks, I'd suggest you start with the free version to give it a shot. The free versions of GB / GCB are very functionally rich. We choose this path vs. watered down free versions to make sure we weren't "forcing" folks to buy the GP package by holding back super critical functionality.I hope all this helps. As always, feel free to drop me a DM in Slack if you'd like to nerd out about any of this which is specific to you.
Happy to. All StudioPress customers were emailed a coupon for $90 off the price of GP. That coupon was emailed to all SP customers.
As for the pro plugins in the Genesis Pro package (Genesis Blocks Pro / Custom Blocks Pro), we are looking at options to split this out from the themes, etc. after hearing this feedback.
As mentioned before, we almost didn't include themes at all in the GP package. This would have still been for the $360/year price point.
We ended up adding themes to the GP package as we were winding down the Pro Plus package for new customers and there wasn't an "all themes" option anymore.
We didn't increase the price for the GP package when we made this decision which is why we didn't think people would think they were being "charged twice" if they bought the GP package. I get why it feels that way though, which is why we're looking into what we might be able to do.
The "unethical" charge is way unfair. Launching new pro plugins which aren't available for free to people who bought an "All themes package" is in no way "unethical". I get that you may not like that decision, but it's certainly not unethical.
Also, we did offer grandfathered discounts for all StudioPress customers for GP.
If you have a provider willing to give you anything they ever make for free, and you believe in their ability to keep investing in, improving, and maintaining their software, then that sounds like an unbelievable deal. I don't know of any providers who do that.
I'm sorry you feel that way @RavenManiac and @ClintN.
To reiterate points made earlier in this thread...
* Genesis Blocks and Genesis Custom Blocks are the first major free products by StudioPress ever. The Pro versions of those plugins are not included in the ProPlus all themes package. They're in Genesis Pro. Yes, we charge money for new premium offerings.
* We have invested millions in updating Genesis Framework especially around Gutenberg, released 10+ block-based themes for Pro Plus customers, and Genesis Pro doesn't include any themes Pro Plus all theme customers don't have. We've done all this despite the fact that for most Pro Plus customers WP Engine has received zero financial benefit (purchases that occurred before we bought SP). To me these are VERY community-friendly outcomes.
* Prior to WPE acquiring StudioPress, Genesis Framework and StudioPress themes had ZERO roadmap work planned to address Gutenberg and Genesis itself had only part-time engineering resources. As a prior Genesis agency owner and long time community member, I'm very proud of how we've stepped up and the countless ways we've supported ProPlus customers and anyone else running Genesis.
If all this isn't enough to keep you building with Genesis, then I wish you the best as you explore other tools. In the meantime, we'll keep investing in Genesis technologies, launching even more free capabilities, and charging for new premium offerings we release.
Again, and as always, I wish you all the best. We'll be here if you need us.
Hello @pantan.
WP Engine owns StudioPress. The Genesis Pro package is sold as a stand alone package via the WP Engine signup system. That system does create a WP Engine account, but you do not pay for or have to use hosting on WP Engine with that account. This link will allow you to sign up for only Genesis Pro....
https://my.wpengine.com/signup/new?plan=genesis-pro-only
If you sign up with that link, you'll only be purchasing the Genesis Pro package which includes...
* Genesis Blocks Pro
* Genesis Custom Blocks Pro
* Genesis Framework
* StudioPress-Made Genesis ThemesExisting WP Engine hosting customers can buy Genesis Pro as an addon here https://my.wpengine.com/products/genesis_blocks_pro
I hope this helps clear things up. You can definitely sign up for Genesis Pro without using or paying for WP Engine hosting...
Hello Saket. I'm sorry to hear about your experience with our support. If you'd like to email me more details on your account, I'm happy to look into the support issues you mentioned. We of course, provide support for all themes we sell including Navigation Pro, so I'm happy to dig in to see what we missed in your case.
My email is my first.lastname at wpengine.com.
Thanks!
DavidHey Alex. I totally understand and will be discussing this with the authors of Simply. We definitely have requirements for theme support for Marketplace themes. It could be you're not going through an officially supported channel though, so it will be helpful for me to learn more here.
Hey Alexandria. I'm sorry to hear about your experience trying to reach out to the author of Simply. I just emailed them to let them know about the auto-responder and to check in on this thread / your outreach.
Sorry again for the lack of response there :/
Hey Manolor007. I'm so sorry you feel this way. The primary value of Genesis Pro is within the pro versions of Genesis Blocks & Custom Blocks. Of course, the package also includes Genesis Framework and some of the themes you have in ProPlus. The intent was not sell you the same products twice. We almost launched GP without any themes, but we wanted to make sure those building with GP and paying an annual subscription also had access to the Genesis Framework and themes.
@prasad123 - Your site seems to be built with Astra vs. Genesis and this forum is for Genesis sites. If you switch to Genesis, feel free to post questions like this in the future.